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85. Lisa Patterson on Reinventing Parenting Gender Norms

52 min19 november 2025

In this episode, Keltie is joined by friend, Lisa Patterson, who shares how her and her partner are navigating parenting roles in a way that goes against traditional norms.

Hear Keltie and Lisa discuss...

  • How Lisa made the decision to become a parent, despite it not having been a part of her life's "success criteria"
  • How she and her partner have communicated about and negotiated their respective parenting roles
  • The way others have responded to Lisa and Andy's role reversal of "primary" and "secondary" parent
  • The perks of raising a child outside of the U.S.
  • The tension between and trouble fitting the all-or-nothing categories of "mom" vs. "career woman".


(1:59) Meet Lisa & her Kids or Childfree decision 

(13:12) Defining Primary Parent & Secondary Parent roles

(23:48) Fitting her child into her life & routines

(29:20) Navigating the "shoulds" of parenthood

(34:33) Being one and done; having an only child

(45:30) Career Woman vs. Mom

As mentioned in the show

Find Lisa on Instagram at instagram.com/captlisann

About Lisa


Lisa Patterson is an outdoor enthusiast, tech nerd, vinophile and working mom.

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